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Why Do Narcissists Become Spiritual Teachers, with Stephan Bodian

Stephan Bodian

Nondual teacher and psychotherapist Stephan Bodian and host Michael Taft discuss how and why narcissists rise to the top of spiritual organizations, the ways that nondual traditions like Zen may be especially prone to teacher misbehavior, the problem with “crazy wisdom” teachers, as well as exploring Stephan’s own spiritual journey with Suzuki Roshi, Maezumi Roshi, Jean Klein, and more.  

Stephan Bodian is a psychotherapist and a teacher in the nondual wisdom tradition of Zen and Advaita Vedanta. After training as a Zen monk and studying Advaita with Jean Klein, he received Dharma transmission from Adyashanti in 2001. His books include Wake Up Now; Beyond Mindfulness; and Meditation for Dummies.

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1 thought on “Why Do Narcissists Become Spiritual Teachers, with Stephan Bodian”

  1. Wow. This was an insightful conversation. So abuse in meditation circles is more common than I thought. Somebody make a documentary about this, please! What sticks with me from this conversation is that meditation teachers are also figuring out their own selves as they reach the begin-all place. And I appreciated learning that he goal of meditation practice is to know deeply the meditation. Cool.

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